Re: Need Help for help

On Thu, 10 Apr 2025, Tim Johnson wrote:

> It looks like the path to help.txt is hardcoded in vim and the ubuntu install put it elsewhere.
>
> A symlink took care of everything.

No it is not and a default Ubuntu version works just fine. You really
should not set $VIMRUNTIME

Please read

:h $VIMRUNTIME

to find out more about it.

Thanks,
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Re: Need Help for help

On 4/9/25 23:19, Igbanam Ogbuluijah wrote:

FWIW :h help works on OS X with $VIMRUNTIME as /opt/homebrew/share/vim/vim91 — which I think is the equivalent path on Linux

Igbanam

It looks like the path to help.txt is hardcoded in vim and the ubuntu install put it elsewhere.

A symlink took care of everything.

Thanks[Solved]

Re: Need Help for help

FWIW :h help works on OS X with $VIMRUNTIME as /opt/homebrew/share/vim/vim91 — which I think is the equivalent path on Linux

Igbanam

On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 5:17 AM Christian Brabandt <cb@256bit.org> wrote:

Why are you setting $VIMRUNTIME? Please check first if your vim works fine when starting with vim --clean

Thanks
Chris

> Am 10.04.2025 um 00:03 schrieb Tim Johnson <thjmmj15@gmail.com>:
>
> 
>> On 4/9/25 10:14, Tim Johnson wrote:
>> Using vim and gvim 9.1 on ubuntu 24.04
>>
>> My local resources are at ~/.vim and system resources at /usr/share/vim/vim91/
>>
>> :help does not work
>>
>> ----------------------------
>>
>> It returns E149: Sorry, no help for help.txt
>>
>> :echo $VIMRUNTIME returns /usr/share/vim/vim91/ (set in .vimrc)
>>
>> :set path returns path=.,/usr/include,,,/usr/share/vim/vim91/doc/,~/.vim/doc/
>>
>> The following lines at the end of .vimrc may be relevant
>>
>> let $VIMRUNTIME="/usr/share/vim/vim91/"
>> execute pathogen#infect()
>> set path+=/usr/share/vim/vim91/doc/
>> set path+=/home/tim/.vim/doc/
>>
>> I have used vim extensively in the past but am retired so haven't used vim help in ages.
>>
>> Pathogen is also new to me
>>
>> I would like to use help from /usr/share/vim/vim91/, ~/.vim/doc, ~/.vim/docs and ~/.vim/bundle/<app>
>>
> More problems
>
> :h help
>
> returns Sorry, help file "/usr/local/share/vim/doc/help.txt" not foundd?
>
> Say what? I set $VIMUNTIME to usr/share/vim/vim91/ and help.txt is at /usr/share/vim/vim91/doc/
>
> More fun
>
>
>
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Re: Need Help for help

Why are you setting $VIMRUNTIME? Please check first if your vim works fine when starting with vim --clean

Thanks
Chris

> Am 10.04.2025 um 00:03 schrieb Tim Johnson <thjmmj15@gmail.com>:
>
> 
>> On 4/9/25 10:14, Tim Johnson wrote:
>> Using vim and gvim 9.1 on ubuntu 24.04
>>
>> My local resources are at ~/.vim and system resources at /usr/share/vim/vim91/
>>
>> :help does not work
>>
>> ----------------------------
>>
>> It returns E149: Sorry, no help for help.txt
>>
>> :echo $VIMRUNTIME returns /usr/share/vim/vim91/ (set in .vimrc)
>>
>> :set path returns path=.,/usr/include,,,/usr/share/vim/vim91/doc/,~/.vim/doc/
>>
>> The following lines at the end of .vimrc may be relevant
>>
>> let $VIMRUNTIME="/usr/share/vim/vim91/"
>> execute pathogen#infect()
>> set path+=/usr/share/vim/vim91/doc/
>> set path+=/home/tim/.vim/doc/
>>
>> I have used vim extensively in the past but am retired so haven't used vim help in ages.
>>
>> Pathogen is also new to me
>>
>> I would like to use help from /usr/share/vim/vim91/, ~/.vim/doc, ~/.vim/docs and ~/.vim/bundle/<app>
>>
> More problems
>
> :h help
>
> returns Sorry, help file "/usr/local/share/vim/doc/help.txt" not foundd?
>
> Say what? I set $VIMUNTIME to usr/share/vim/vim91/ and help.txt is at /usr/share/vim/vim91/doc/
>
> More fun
>
>
>
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Re: Need Help for help

On 4/9/25 10:14, Tim Johnson wrote:
> Using vim and gvim 9.1 on ubuntu 24.04
>
> My local resources are at ~/.vim and system resources at
> /usr/share/vim/vim91/
>
> :help does not work
>
> ----------------------------
>
> It returns E149: Sorry, no help for help.txt
>
> :echo $VIMRUNTIME returns /usr/share/vim/vim91/ (set in .vimrc)
>
> :set path returns
> path=.,/usr/include,,,/usr/share/vim/vim91/doc/,~/.vim/doc/
>
> The following lines at the end of .vimrc may be relevant
>
> let $VIMRUNTIME="/usr/share/vim/vim91/"
> execute pathogen#infect()
> set path+=/usr/share/vim/vim91/doc/
> set path+=/home/tim/.vim/doc/
>
> I have used vim extensively in the past but am retired so haven't used
> vim help in ages.
>
> Pathogen is also new to me
>
> I would like to use help from /usr/share/vim/vim91/, ~/.vim/doc,
> ~/.vim/docs and ~/.vim/bundle/<app>
>
More problems

:h help

returns Sorry, help file "/usr/local/share/vim/doc/help.txt" not foundd?

Say what? I set $VIMUNTIME to usr/share/vim/vim91/ and help.txt is at
/usr/share/vim/vim91/doc/

More fun




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Need Help for help

Using vim and gvim 9.1 on ubuntu 24.04

My local resources are at ~/.vim and system resources at
/usr/share/vim/vim91/

:help does not work

----------------------------

It returns E149: Sorry, no help for help.txt

:echo $VIMRUNTIME returns /usr/share/vim/vim91/ (set in .vimrc)

:set path returns
path=.,/usr/include,,,/usr/share/vim/vim91/doc/,~/.vim/doc/

The following lines at the end of .vimrc may be relevant

let $VIMRUNTIME="/usr/share/vim/vim91/"
execute pathogen#infect()
set path+=/usr/share/vim/vim91/doc/
set path+=/home/tim/.vim/doc/

I have used vim extensively in the past but am retired so haven't used
vim help in ages.

Pathogen is also new to me

I would like to use help from /usr/share/vim/vim91/, ~/.vim/doc,
~/.vim/docs and ~/.vim/bundle/<app>

I look forward to resolving this issue

thanks

tim




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Re: Issue Subscribing to Vim Mailing List

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On Sun, 06 Apr 2025, wacky weasel wrote:

> I recently attempted to subscribe to the Vim mailing lists by sending an empty email to <vim-subscribe@vim.org>, but I haven't received any response.
>
> From my mail logs, it appears the subscription request was directed to an MX server at "jail.42.org", where the transmission fails with the message: "a
> TLS session is required, but the server did not offer TLS support."
>
> I'm not certain whether this issue lies with my email provider or if there's a misconfiguration on the receiving end. I've since opted to follow the
> discussions via Google Groups in my browser, but I wanted to bring this to your attention in case it's something you'd like to look into.

I have had issues with jail.42.org myself. But you can always subscribe
directly via the google groups homepage and then send mails directly to
vim_use@googlegroups.com and vim_dev@googlegroups.com

The vim.org mailing list is basically served by googlegroups, so you
won't miss anything, the vim.org email addresses are forwarded to the
google groups provider.

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Issue Subscribing to Vim Mailing List

Hi,

I recently attempted to subscribe to the Vim mailing lists by sending an empty email to <vim-subscribe@vim.org>, but I haven't received any response.

From my mail logs, it appears the subscription request was directed to an MX server at "jail.42.org", where the transmission fails with the message: "a TLS session is required, but the server did not offer TLS support."

I'm not certain whether this issue lies with my email provider or if there's a misconfiguration on the receiving end. I've since opted to follow the discussions via Google Groups in my browser, but I wanted to bring this to your attention in case it's something you'd like to look into.

Best regards,
Wacky

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Thesaurus

My thesaurus works fine in insert mode but I don't see a way to call the thesaurus in normal mode.  Something similar to z= when the cursor is over a misspelled word.

With no plugin just plain vanilla vim with a Thesaurus defined in my vimrc is there native way to call the Thesaurus in normal mode or do I need to create a function or use a plugin?

Thanks

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Re: why is neovim such a sad thing?

Hi Marc and others,

Just to jump in here (maybe without knowing anything about the topic
or even what I am talking about):
My problem with NeoVim is that (according to what I have been led to
believe) is that NeoVim will not run on terminals that do not support
a UTF-8 character set. This is a problem for me for at least a couple
of reasons.

On the other hand, Vim runs just fine on a non-UTF-8 terminal (emulated or not).

Thank you Vim.
To repeat, thank you Vim.

Maybe someday I will have to face up to a completely UTF-8 world, but
happily that world has not yet fully come.

Thank you Vim.

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Re: Vim Script for Python Developers guide updated with information about tuples

Yegappan Lakshmanan said on Sun, 30 Mar 2025 08:20:09 -0700

>Hi,
>
>On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 6:56 AM Steve Litt <slitt@troubleshooters.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Yegappan Lakshmanan said on Fri, 28 Mar 2025 23:34:27 -0700
>>
>> >Hi all,
>> >
>> >I have updated the "Vim Script for Python Developers" guide with
>> >information about tuples:
>> >
>> >https://gist.github.com/yegappan/16d964a37ead0979b05e655aa036cad0
>> >
>> >Let me know if you have any comments or suggestions.
>>
>> That's one heck of a resource! Does everything in that document work
>> with the Vim Script in Vim9?
>>
>
>I started working on the guide before the Vim9script support was
>developed. So the guide applies to the classic Vimscript. I need to
>find time to create a
>similar guide for the Vim9script.
>
>Regards,
>Yegappan

Thanks Yegappan! Please let us all know when the similar guide for
Vim9script is complete.

SteveT

Steve Litt

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Re: inoremap and typing pace?

Marc,

I am trying the following:

>·······some_array=('one'⏎
>·······␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣'two'⏎
'three'⏎
'four'⏎
'five')⏎

The cursor is on the line containing 'three', normal mode.
I press '==' to auto align and the result is:

>·······some_array=('one'⏎
>·······␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣'two'⏎
>·······>·······␣␣␣␣'three'⏎
'four'⏎
'five')⏎

i.e. VIM aligns with as many tabs as possible and fills the rest with spaces instead of repeating the indentation and alignment of the previous line.

Is there a fix for that?

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Re: StackExchange is a sad thing too

Without wanting to continue participating in this topic's interchange of points/arguments, beyond this contribution, I just want to say that I fully agree with what Marc offered in his reply regarding the advantages of older technologies that have become disused, likely because people, being people, are generally lazy and want a SPOC for all things, and only to willing and eager to leave it to others to "take care of my backups", hence the explosive adoption of things like Facebook, Twitter, etc. ... which are not desktop-based, leaving everyone at the mercy of "them" in remote places.  Just another facet of what can only be described as a long game-for destroying physical (i.e. neighbourhood) communities of like minds by eventually pulling the plug on those centralized services.

Such blind mass-adoption that I feel can only be characterized as behaviour similar to lemmings or dodos, and we know what happened to the latter!  Hence why I keep my email client, and all such personal information, in my own hands at the desktop.

I will still have ALL my resources when the internet fails, as long as a nuke hasn't fried my computer.  🙂

Eric

P.S.  This is my email setting for all things. Thank you for understanding.

On 2025-04-01 05:30, Marc Chantreux wrote:

I Ben and thanks for sharing this feeling,    On Mon, Mar 31, 2025 at 08:24:16PM -0400, D. Ben Knoble wrote:  

thanks for this pointer. so sad those questions arise in stack* as we have a  user mailing list.  

  I'm sorry to hear you feel that way; the goal of the StackExchange  project was to create a commons of high-quality resources (much like  Wikipedia has).  

  Wikipedia came out to fill the gap of collaborative places to edit  articles.    StackExchange just split communities because previous tools (mailing  lists, newsgroups, archives and FAQ) were so much more convenient but  in the early years of this millenium, lot of people came to internet  with no idea of habits and customs of the technical communities.    If it was ignorance, that's very sad. If not, I'll be happy to learn  abou arguments that was worth splitting communities.    

I think the linked examples are good examples of this  (though if you visit the home page you will find more sand than pearls  these days, at the cost of having helped a great number of people).  

  Did you try newsgroups or mail archives? did you enjoy having your own  local workflow with mbox mirrors indexed so you can use mutt of  maildir-utils to query them, add copies of posts or threads in your  notes and things like that?    StackExchange will never reach this level of convenience. Not to mention  it's so painful to have a decent conversation through html text ereas.  especilly for vim or emacs users.    I don't know if StackExchange has an API (I'll be happy to learn about  it) so I can include it in my workflow but nevertheless: It's extra work  for same result :(    

Mailing lists are great, and they serve a different purpose for me  (cf. the recent extended discussion which might ultimately be boiled  down to a high-quality Q&A pair if desired).  

  So how do you set the cursor between mailing lists and StackExchange?    We all know the story of questions that looks insignifiant at start  being the root of a giant threads with very interesting perspectives.    Another point against StackExchange: those kind of threads are so  painful to follow in a web page.    I couldn't imagine that people could be found of StackExchange  so I'm really grateful you shared about it.    regards.    

StackExchange is a sad thing too

I Ben and thanks for sharing this feeling,

On Mon, Mar 31, 2025 at 08:24:16PM -0400, D. Ben Knoble wrote:
> > thanks for this pointer. so sad those questions arise in stack* as we have a
> > user mailing list.
>
> I'm sorry to hear you feel that way; the goal of the StackExchange
> project was to create a commons of high-quality resources (much like
> Wikipedia has).

Wikipedia came out to fill the gap of collaborative places to edit
articles.

StackExchange just split communities because previous tools (mailing
lists, newsgroups, archives and FAQ) were so much more convenient but
in the early years of this millenium, lot of people came to internet
with no idea of habits and customs of the technical communities.

If it was ignorance, that's very sad. If not, I'll be happy to learn
abou arguments that was worth splitting communities.

> I think the linked examples are good examples of this
> (though if you visit the home page you will find more sand than pearls
> these days, at the cost of having helped a great number of people).

Did you try newsgroups or mail archives? did you enjoy having your own
local workflow with mbox mirrors indexed so you can use mutt of
maildir-utils to query them, add copies of posts or threads in your
notes and things like that?

StackExchange will never reach this level of convenience. Not to mention
it's so painful to have a decent conversation through html text ereas.
especilly for vim or emacs users.

I don't know if StackExchange has an API (I'll be happy to learn about
it) so I can include it in my workflow but nevertheless: It's extra work
for same result :(

> Mailing lists are great, and they serve a different purpose for me
> (cf. the recent extended discussion which might ultimately be boiled
> down to a high-quality Q&A pair if desired).

So how do you set the cursor between mailing lists and StackExchange?

We all know the story of questions that looks insignifiant at start
being the root of a giant threads with very interesting perspectives.

Another point against StackExchange: those kind of threads are so
painful to follow in a web page.

I couldn't imagine that people could be found of StackExchange
so I'm really grateful you shared about it.

regards.

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