Monday, January 13, 2014

Re: Do developers use vim exclusively or alternate with an IDE?

On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Marc Weber <marco-oweber@gmx.de> wrote:

No, its not. Its only "faster" if you have to move the hands to mouse
first.

At the beginning it was very very very hard for my brain to even think
about which way is faster for a use case - the end of the story: I gave
up on the mouse, too.

There are keyboards with mousepads which make the choice simpler.

There are additional ideas such as
http://www.combimouse.com/ (being developped for years, so this will
never happen eventually).

I personally feel the future is a programmable touch area which can
serve as mouse / keyobard at the same time with gestures to type
key series .. - but yeah - still using a "default" keyboard myself.

Anyway - without knowing about the use cases where this "problem which
is faster" happens most we cannot help causing bias on either side.

There are probably cases in which it is indeed faster to use a mouse, although I cannot think of any notable ones at the moment.

If by "when I know what I am doing" you mean when you know right away how to do a thing in The Vim Way without needing to look up a command (e.g.) or without accidentally do something wrongly at first and *then* looking up a command, then yes: that feeling of frustration does go away, in my experience. When I was new(er) to Vim I had a wonderfully hard time getting anything done for the first few days or weeks or so, simply because I was not familiar with either the modal editing concept or with how Vim specifically uses it (commands, shortcuts, the very idea of getting most things done outside of insert mode, etc.), but I think that was because I just switched to using it full-time, without trying to slowly learn it (say) a little bit each day until I knew my way around it. That may or may not have been a good way to get started with it -- I like to think that it *was* a good way -- but it did definitely make it hard for me to not simply switch to mousing around to do some things, or even just to go back to TextMate or Leafpad or some other more mouse-friendly editor, while I did not really know how to accomplish even very simple editing tasks.

As others have pointed out, if you could mention some examples of when you feel that it is faster to just use the mouse, it would be easier to think of (hopefully helpful) suggestions here. :-)

Ben

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