Friday, November 25, 2011

Re: rating manipulations on www.vim.org have taken place

Excerpts from Benjamin R. Haskell's message of Fri Nov 25 19:40:52 +0100 2011:
> Does the scripts site have much reason to continue?
Yes: Vim is charity ware. People happen to click on banners. That's
putting some children in school. Money from advertising is not too much
- but enough to do some good.
If we used github only ...

I'd like to do the opposite: gather VimL projects from github and
display summaries on www.vim.org. The first step is to keep a separate
site and see how it evolves. If it works - then discussion about
integrating it into www.vim.org can start. Much too early for now.
If you're interested tell me and I'll set you a link to our "vision".

Duplicating github ? Insane amount of work. No chance.
But we should think about reusing some of their ideas such as display
README or displaying doc/*.txt files from plugins. Then authors don't
have to duplicate install instructions.

> I guess one clear benefit is that the scripts site is a nice way to have
> a "stable" release, vs. a "development" release on github. So, maybe
> for that reason alone it makes sense to continue to devote effort to
> maintaining/improving the site.
Its debatable which branch should serve which purpose. My plugins should
have a stable trunk - if they are not its a bug and should be fixed
instantly. Experimental ideas are put into branches. But some people
feel differently about it.

> Yes. With these new data post-2011/09/02 it seems clear the problem
> wasn't simply the downvote link being crawled. (How do you have access
> to that data?)
I asked Bram once - cause I wanted to improve the website.
I granted me access.
I even rewrote much of the code finally noticing that PHP is not going
to serve me looking at the ideas I sketched above. I also spend more
time on mercurial than on coding cause I'm a git user and I'm missing
trivial things like remote locations and such. I always feel unsafe
using it. Maybe its also because I don't know it very well.
Bram statement was simple: sourceforge's hosting is going to serve it
well in the future. Using a custom solution may not. He's right on it.
So unless I can't guarantee funding for at least 10 years or so ..
I should shut up and make more money so that I can do so.

> Do you have a way to correlate the voting data with access logs that
> contain the User-Agent? It'd be interesting to see if it lined up.
No. I tried. Those older logs are all gone. It would be very interesting
to read the HTTP_REFERER code.

Marc Weber

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