Hi Marc,
On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:07:41 +0200 Marc Chantreux wrote:
> hi Steven,
>
> I just realized I haven't replied this one. I read it but I'm in rush
> time for the moment so I'll investigate later.
It has been a few months, so I thought I should probably ask again.
Did you you have the time to have a look at this?
Thank you.
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Friday, November 21, 2025
Thursday, November 20, 2025
vim regexps and ERE and viml syntax
hello,
On Thu, Nov 20, 2025 at 05:24:20AM +0000, dvalin via vim_use wrote:
> [3]https://git.unistra.fr/mc/dot/-/blame/main/bin/tsveverything?ref_type=heads#L190
> Now, if vimscript were mostly awk, then we'd have the ultimate editor. :-)
Actually not :) awk is cool but
* its built in functions can be called with, user defined functions need parenthesis
* ithas no lambdas
* its array subscripts and datastructures are really limited
* it as no do (like in lisp or perl)
* ...
The viml of my dream is a mix of Raku (https://raku.org/) and viml itself.
the reason I wouldn't use neovim at all is because of the vim commands
you can directly use in viml like
:1
'a,34d
The problem is: Raku is huge. Maybe it's tunable enought to include vim
commands as slang (https://docs.raku.org/language/slangs)? IDK
but a raku+viml alien +
> > not to mention :so now support ranges \o/
would be the ultimate scripting langage (or maybe not: people from the APL
world have things to say about concision and readability. https://www.uiua.org/
seems impressive but I have no time to practice).
> > Again (because it was the goal of this mail): vim, in its actual
> > philosophy, is super important! Thanks a lot for maintaining it.
"actual" wasn't the good word: the *current* philosophy.
> decades makes life so much easier. (My only remaining wish would be Posix
> ERE regexes - the existing mish-mash of alternatives in Vim seems a lot of
> work and confusion, without quite getting there. Admittedly, \v comes
> close. And one just shells out to awk, when serious, anyway.)
Vim needs its own regexp engine because of patterns like
|/\%V| \%V \%V inside Visual area |/zero-width|
|/\%#| \%# \%# cursor position |/zero-width|
|/\%'m| \%'m \%'m mark m position |/zero-width|
|/\%l| \%23l \%23l in line 23 |/zero-width|
|/\%c| \%23c \%23c in column 23 |/zero-width|
|/\%v| \%23v \%23v in virtual column 23 |/zero-width|
I made my time to be confortable with it but now I'm really happy about
the vim regexp system now (I don't know how huge it is to maintain). I can
compare with grep: RE is the default but
ERE litteral insensitive
grep -E -F -i
vim \v \M \c
so I have
nnoremap / /\v
nnoremap ? ?\v
because
* most of the time, I want \v but sometimes I <del>M
* easier to remove \v (to come back to normal) than to type \v
to learn the basics of the syntax (when you have previous regexp
pexperience):
:h perl-patterns
:h /magic # the array comparing the syntaxes is very useful
:h /ordinary-atom
coming from perl and raku, I am sometimes frustrated (mostly because
there is no \x (like the //x) so we can write much more maintainable
regexps but things like M %% S (list of Ms separated by S) is also
really useful) but vim has some gems too like
\zs and \ze to start/end the match
\%[] : a sequence of optionally matched atoms
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On Thu, Nov 20, 2025 at 05:24:20AM +0000, dvalin via vim_use wrote:
> [3]https://git.unistra.fr/mc/dot/-/blame/main/bin/tsveverything?ref_type=heads#L190
> Now, if vimscript were mostly awk, then we'd have the ultimate editor. :-)
Actually not :) awk is cool but
* its built in functions can be called with, user defined functions need parenthesis
* ithas no lambdas
* its array subscripts and datastructures are really limited
* it as no do (like in lisp or perl)
* ...
The viml of my dream is a mix of Raku (https://raku.org/) and viml itself.
the reason I wouldn't use neovim at all is because of the vim commands
you can directly use in viml like
:1
'a,34d
The problem is: Raku is huge. Maybe it's tunable enought to include vim
commands as slang (https://docs.raku.org/language/slangs)? IDK
but a raku+viml alien +
> > not to mention :so now support ranges \o/
would be the ultimate scripting langage (or maybe not: people from the APL
world have things to say about concision and readability. https://www.uiua.org/
seems impressive but I have no time to practice).
> > Again (because it was the goal of this mail): vim, in its actual
> > philosophy, is super important! Thanks a lot for maintaining it.
"actual" wasn't the good word: the *current* philosophy.
> decades makes life so much easier. (My only remaining wish would be Posix
> ERE regexes - the existing mish-mash of alternatives in Vim seems a lot of
> work and confusion, without quite getting there. Admittedly, \v comes
> close. And one just shells out to awk, when serious, anyway.)
Vim needs its own regexp engine because of patterns like
|/\%V| \%V \%V inside Visual area |/zero-width|
|/\%#| \%# \%# cursor position |/zero-width|
|/\%'m| \%'m \%'m mark m position |/zero-width|
|/\%l| \%23l \%23l in line 23 |/zero-width|
|/\%c| \%23c \%23c in column 23 |/zero-width|
|/\%v| \%23v \%23v in virtual column 23 |/zero-width|
I made my time to be confortable with it but now I'm really happy about
the vim regexp system now (I don't know how huge it is to maintain). I can
compare with grep: RE is the default but
ERE litteral insensitive
grep -E -F -i
vim \v \M \c
so I have
nnoremap / /\v
nnoremap ? ?\v
because
* most of the time, I want \v but sometimes I <del>M
* easier to remove \v (to come back to normal) than to type \v
to learn the basics of the syntax (when you have previous regexp
pexperience):
:h perl-patterns
:h /magic # the array comparing the syntaxes is very useful
:h /ordinary-atom
coming from perl and raku, I am sometimes frustrated (mostly because
there is no \x (like the //x) so we can write much more maintainable
regexps but things like M %% S (list of Ms separated by S) is also
really useful) but vim has some gems too like
\zs and \ze to start/end the match
\%[] : a sequence of optionally matched atoms
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Wednesday, November 19, 2025
Re: sort in .tsv file
On 18.11.25 13:38, Marc Chantreux wrote:
> And that makes the codebase bigger, more maintainance to do, more
> possible vulnerabilities.
>
> will you also implement awk ? I hope not and it doesn't stops me to have
> a plugin that make vim looks like a spreadsheet
>
>
> based on few lines of viml + an awk script
>
Now, if vimscript were mostly awk, then we'd have the ultimate editor. :-) (My spreadsheeting has not yet gone beyond including a line of awk in a data table file, then executing that with a Vim-mapped keystroke, or e.g. for rainfall, doing the awk monthly totalling in the shell-aliased editing command, so it runs on exit.)
> not to mention :so now support ranges \o/
>
> Actually I think vim does too much things and The *only* feature I miss
> today is a global PreSystem autocommand so you can setup environement
> variables.
>
> au SystemPre {
> $cf = expand("<cfile>")
> $cF = expand("<cFILE>")
> $cf = expand("<cword>")
> $cF = expand("<cWORD>")
> }
>
> so I have to prefix ! and system() calls myself.
>
> Again (because it was the goal of this mail): vim, in its actual
> philosophy, is super important! Thanks a lot for maintaining it.
Enthusiastically seconded. There's nothing else as good. All the folding methods are brilliant, for example. A .vimrc tweaked over a number of decades makes life so much easier. (My only remaining wish would be Posix ERE regexes - the existing mish-mash of alternatives in Vim seems a lot of work and confusion, without quite getting there. Admittedly, \v comes close. And one just shells out to awk, when serious, anyway.)
Erik
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Tuesday, November 18, 2025
Re: Re: Re: :sort in .tsv file
--Subject: Re: :sort in .tsv file
On Mo, 17 Nov 2025, 'c.willis111 ' via vim_use wrote: > the /pattern/ feature of sort doesn't work if the recognized filetype is > .tsv (which gives alternate colours for successive fields). What exactly do you mean by this? Thanks, Christian --
Hi Christian
I have the .csv plugin.
When I use the pattern in the vim :sort command, it does not work as expected.
I was mistaken in an earlier message. I am sure this is due to the plugin. If I copy the file I am working on to a, so that the plugin no longer recognizes it as a .tsv, the sort works as I had expected originally. I then have to copy my result back to the .tsv file.
The question was, is there a neater way of using the vim sort.
regards - Chris
Hi Christian
it seems that if I type
:filetype plugin off
before my sort command, the sort works, despite the screen still showing the plugin layout. (Despite the fact that I still need to use the letter keys for extending the line visual area, rather than the cursor keys).
regards - Chris
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Re: sort in .tsv file
hello,
On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 11:22:40AM +0100, Christian Brabandt wrote:
> On Di, 18 Nov 2025, dvalin via vim_use wrote:
> > Despite having used Vim for several decades now, I'm still allergic to
> > the effort to make Vim into Emacs, by doing stuff in-house in cases
> > where it's much easier to just use what's already provided on any *nix
> > distro. To perform those four sorts in Vim, with fewer keystrokes,
> > this works for me
that's why vim9 is so important: ! ( <range>! , w! r! ...), jobs and
channels, system(), libcall() and the ed inspiration remaining in the
vim9script with the new braces driven :command syntax is wonderful.
those make vim the only modern editor with the unix philosophy roots
(with others instead of becoming fat)
that's the main difference with neovim (the emacs of the ones who
started with vim). a better neovim is emacs over racket + a viper mode
that takes vim ergonomy (text objects and so on) more seriously but they
ends with vim+lua.
> While that is true, it doesn't help anybody who doesn't have GNU
> coreutils installed.
that's untrue: BSD tools (also available on macos), sbase, 9base,
busybox are that capable too. Yes, windows people are screwed but they
chosen their destiny :)
also: zsh (also default on macos too) is a much much better bash which
is really easy to combine with vim because of details like the twigil
for expansions (so you don't have to quote things when you !).
once you add your suffixes aliases in your ~/.zshenv, you can use
:!<cfile> or :!<cWORD> to open urls and files. at home I have
@ (
{fr,de,com,org,net,re,ninja}=url_opener
{git,gh}=git:latest
{wad,pk3}=wador
{png,gif,jpg,jpeg,bmp,tiff,tga,webp}=feh
{docx,xlsx,odt}=libreoffice
{html,svg}=chromium
{xcf}=gimp
{1..8}{,posix,plan9,p}=man
{ps,eps,pdf,djvu}='(){
>> ~/.was-read realpath "$@"
zathura "$@"
}'
{wav,mp3,ogg,flac,opus,mp4,mkv,webm}='(){
>> ~/.was-play realpath "$@"
vlc "$@"
}'
) alias -s $it
most of my "plugins" are just thin wrappers over tools I wrote to be
used outside vim so vim is just another environement to interact with a
global workflow
> That's the reason the :sort command was added to Vim.
And that makes the codebase bigger, more maintainance to do, more
possible vulnerabilities.
will you also implement awk ? I hope not and it doesn't stops me to have
a plugin that make vim looks like a spreadsheet
https://git.unistra.fr/mc/dot/-/blob/main/vim/pack/_/start/tsv/ftplugin/tsv.vim
based on few lines of viml + an awk script
https://git.unistra.fr/mc/dot/-/blob/main/vim/r/setvts.vim
https://git.unistra.fr/mc/dot/-/blame/main/bin/tsveverything?ref_type=heads#L190
not to mention :so now support ranges \o/
Actually I think vim does too much things and The *only* feature I miss
today is a global PreSystem autocommand so you can setup environement
variables.
au SystemPre {
$cf = expand("<cfile>")
$cF = expand("<cFILE>")
$cf = expand("<cword>")
$cF = expand("<cWORD>")
}
so I have to prefix ! and system() calls myself.
Again (because it was the goal of this mail): vim, in its actual
philosophy, is super important! Thanks a lot for maintaining it.
Marc
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On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 11:22:40AM +0100, Christian Brabandt wrote:
> On Di, 18 Nov 2025, dvalin via vim_use wrote:
> > Despite having used Vim for several decades now, I'm still allergic to
> > the effort to make Vim into Emacs, by doing stuff in-house in cases
> > where it's much easier to just use what's already provided on any *nix
> > distro. To perform those four sorts in Vim, with fewer keystrokes,
> > this works for me
that's why vim9 is so important: ! ( <range>! , w! r! ...), jobs and
channels, system(), libcall() and the ed inspiration remaining in the
vim9script with the new braces driven :command syntax is wonderful.
those make vim the only modern editor with the unix philosophy roots
(with others instead of becoming fat)
that's the main difference with neovim (the emacs of the ones who
started with vim). a better neovim is emacs over racket + a viper mode
that takes vim ergonomy (text objects and so on) more seriously but they
ends with vim+lua.
> While that is true, it doesn't help anybody who doesn't have GNU
> coreutils installed.
that's untrue: BSD tools (also available on macos), sbase, 9base,
busybox are that capable too. Yes, windows people are screwed but they
chosen their destiny :)
also: zsh (also default on macos too) is a much much better bash which
is really easy to combine with vim because of details like the twigil
for expansions (so you don't have to quote things when you !).
once you add your suffixes aliases in your ~/.zshenv, you can use
:!<cfile> or :!<cWORD> to open urls and files. at home I have
@ (
{fr,de,com,org,net,re,ninja}=url_opener
{git,gh}=git:latest
{wad,pk3}=wador
{png,gif,jpg,jpeg,bmp,tiff,tga,webp}=feh
{docx,xlsx,odt}=libreoffice
{html,svg}=chromium
{xcf}=gimp
{1..8}{,posix,plan9,p}=man
{ps,eps,pdf,djvu}='(){
>> ~/.was-read realpath "$@"
zathura "$@"
}'
{wav,mp3,ogg,flac,opus,mp4,mkv,webm}='(){
>> ~/.was-play realpath "$@"
vlc "$@"
}'
) alias -s $it
most of my "plugins" are just thin wrappers over tools I wrote to be
used outside vim so vim is just another environement to interact with a
global workflow
> That's the reason the :sort command was added to Vim.
And that makes the codebase bigger, more maintainance to do, more
possible vulnerabilities.
will you also implement awk ? I hope not and it doesn't stops me to have
a plugin that make vim looks like a spreadsheet
https://git.unistra.fr/mc/dot/-/blob/main/vim/pack/_/start/tsv/ftplugin/tsv.vim
based on few lines of viml + an awk script
https://git.unistra.fr/mc/dot/-/blob/main/vim/r/setvts.vim
https://git.unistra.fr/mc/dot/-/blame/main/bin/tsveverything?ref_type=heads#L190
not to mention :so now support ranges \o/
Actually I think vim does too much things and The *only* feature I miss
today is a global PreSystem autocommand so you can setup environement
variables.
au SystemPre {
$cf = expand("<cfile>")
$cF = expand("<cFILE>")
$cf = expand("<cword>")
$cF = expand("<cWORD>")
}
so I have to prefix ! and system() calls myself.
Again (because it was the goal of this mail): vim, in its actual
philosophy, is super important! Thanks a lot for maintaining it.
Marc
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Re: Re: :sort in .tsv file
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Sent: Tuesday, November 18th 2025, 10:24
Subject: Re: :sort in .tsv file
On Mo, 17 Nov 2025, 'c.willis111 ' via vim_use wrote: > the /pattern/ feature of sort doesn't work if the recognized filetype is > .tsv (which gives alternate colours for successive fields). What exactly do you mean by this? Thanks, Christian --
Hi Christian
I have the .csv plugin.
When I use the pattern in the vim :sort command, it does not work as expected.
I was mistaken in an earlier message. I am sure this is due to the plugin. If I copy the file I am working on to a, so that the plugin no longer recognizes it as a .tsv, the sort works as I had expected originally. I then have to copy my result back to the .tsv file.
The question was, is there a neater way of using the vim sort.
regards - Chris
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Re: :sort in .tsv file
On Mo, 17 Nov 2025, 'c.willis111 ' via vim_use wrote:
> the /pattern/ feature of sort doesn't work if the recognized filetype is
> .tsv (which gives alternate colours for successive fields).
What exactly do you mean by this?
Thanks,
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> the /pattern/ feature of sort doesn't work if the recognized filetype is
> .tsv (which gives alternate colours for successive fields).
What exactly do you mean by this?
Thanks,
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Re: sort in .tsv file
On Di, 18 Nov 2025, dvalin via vim_use wrote:
> Despite having used Vim for several decades now, I'm still allergic to
> the effort to make Vim into Emacs, by doing stuff in-house in cases
> where it's much easier to just use what's already provided on any *nix
> distro. To perform those four sorts in Vim, with fewer keystrokes,
> this works for me:
While that is true, it doesn't help anybody who doesn't have GNU
coreutils installed. That's the reason the :sort command was added to
Vim.
Thanks,
Christian
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> Despite having used Vim for several decades now, I'm still allergic to
> the effort to make Vim into Emacs, by doing stuff in-house in cases
> where it's much easier to just use what's already provided on any *nix
> distro. To perform those four sorts in Vim, with fewer keystrokes,
> this works for me:
While that is true, it doesn't help anybody who doesn't have GNU
coreutils installed. That's the reason the :sort command was added to
Vim.
Thanks,
Christian
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Re: Re: sort in .tsv file
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Sent: Tuesday, November 18th 2025, 01:42
Subject: Re: sort in .tsv file
On 17.11.25 19:13, Tim Chase wrote:
> On 2025-11-18 00:32, Vim Users wrote:
> > On 17.11.25 17:30, Tim Chase wrote:
> > >???? :2,$sort?? " sort by the first column
> > >???? :2,$sor /[^^I]*^I/???? " sort by the second column
> > >???? :2,$sor /\([^^I]*^I\)\{2}/ " sort by third column
> > >???? :2,$sor /\([^^I]*^I\)\{3}/ " sort by the fourth column
> > >???? :2,$sor n /\([^^I]*^I\)\{4}/ " sort numerically by the fifth column
> >
> > !}sort -k 1
>
> Even better! At least as long as you're on a Unix-like system where
> sort(1) is competent (its availability on Windows is a bit less useful)
>
Hi Tim,
That's what I suspected, but having not used the MS OS or their other products in 30 years in IT, or privately this last half century, I didn't feel competent to comment there. My suggestions are, though, hopefully unixversal. ;-)Erik
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Tim, I think it is the ,csv plugin that is interfering. Also, I don't understand the significance of your "^|". Though it is reminiscent of the | that the .csv plugin inserts for the tabs (in the screen view).
I have a field that always (in the area I am interested in, starts with 1, so I was using the pattern /\t1/. I did try /.*\t1/ which failed the same.
Dvalin - at present, (but not for long) on windows. The vim sort seems to do the job properly whereas the Windows sort case ignores regardless, and doesn't have the unix flexibility.
thanks both - Chris
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Monday, November 17, 2025
Re: sort in .tsv file
On 17.11.25 19:13, Tim Chase wrote:
> On 2025-11-18 00:32, Vim Users wrote:
> > On 17.11.25 17:30, Tim Chase wrote:
> > >???? :2,$sort?? " sort by the first column
> > >???? :2,$sor /[^^I]*^I/???? " sort by the second column
> > >???? :2,$sor /\([^^I]*^I\)\{2}/ " sort by third column
> > >???? :2,$sor /\([^^I]*^I\)\{3}/ " sort by the fourth column
> > >???? :2,$sor n /\([^^I]*^I\)\{4}/ " sort numerically by the fifth column
> >
> > !}sort -k 1
>
> Even better! At least as long as you're on a Unix-like system where
> sort(1) is competent (its availability on Windows is a bit less useful)
>
Hi Tim,
That's what I suspected, but having not used the MS OS or their other products in 30 years in IT, or privately this last half century, I didn't feel competent to comment there. My suggestions are, though, hopefully unixversal. ;-)
Erik
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Re: sort in .tsv file
On 2025-11-18 00:32, Vim Users wrote:
> On 17.11.25 17:30, Tim Chase wrote:
> >???? :2,$sort?? " sort by the first column
> >???? :2,$sor /[^^I]*^I/???? " sort by the second column
> >???? :2,$sor /\([^^I]*^I\)\{2}/ " sort by third column
> >???? :2,$sor /\([^^I]*^I\)\{3}/ " sort by the fourth column
> >???? :2,$sor n /\([^^I]*^I\)\{4}/ " sort numerically by the fifth column
>
> !}sort -k 1
Even better! At least as long as you're on a Unix-like system where
sort(1) is competent (its availability on Windows is a bit less useful)
-tim
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> On 17.11.25 17:30, Tim Chase wrote:
> >???? :2,$sort?? " sort by the first column
> >???? :2,$sor /[^^I]*^I/???? " sort by the second column
> >???? :2,$sor /\([^^I]*^I\)\{2}/ " sort by third column
> >???? :2,$sor /\([^^I]*^I\)\{3}/ " sort by the fourth column
> >???? :2,$sor n /\([^^I]*^I\)\{4}/ " sort numerically by the fifth column
>
> !}sort -k 1
Even better! At least as long as you're on a Unix-like system where
sort(1) is competent (its availability on Windows is a bit less useful)
-tim
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Re: sort in .tsv file
On 17.11.25 17:30, Tim Chase wrote:
> On 2025-11-17 21:54, Vim Users wrote:
> > the /pattern/ feature of sort doesn't work if the recognized filetype
> > is .tsv (which gives alternate colours for successive fields).
> >
> > Is there a workaround, apart from copying it to a plain file and
> > working on it there?
>
> I'm not sure if you have some plugin interfering, but when I open a TSV
> file with the following contents:
>
> $ cat test.tsv
> h1 h2 h3 h4 h5
> d c b a 1
> c d a b 30
> b a d c 4
> a b c d 200
>
> I can issue the following commands to sort by the various columns:
>
> :2,$sort " sort by the first column
> :2,$sor /[^^I]*^I/ " sort by the second column
> :2,$sor /\([^^I]*^I\)\{2}/ " sort by third column
> :2,$sor /\([^^I]*^I\)\{3}/ " sort by the fourth column
> :2,$sor n /\([^^I]*^I\)\{4}/ " sort numerically by the fifth column
>
Despite having used Vim for several decades now, I'm still allergic to the effort to make Vim into Emacs, by doing stuff in-house in cases where it's much easier to just use what's already provided on any *nix distro. To perform those four sorts in Vim, with fewer keystrokes, this works for me:
Place the cursor on the first line after the column headings, then:
!}sort -k 1
Then hit 'u' for Vim undo, and:
!}sort -k 3
or whatever field you now want.
And without the undo, we've done a compound sort.
The "sort" manpage describes the various available sort criteria: dictionary, numeric, month, etc.
A "man -k sort" in another shell reveals alternative sorts you might have on hand.
Equally important, I feel, is that only one sort syntax and behaviour needs to be learnt for all common uses on the computer, whether in Vim, in commandline pipes, or shell scripts. Why buy into unnecessary brain fragmentation?
Erik
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Re: :sort in .tsv file
On 2025-11-17 21:54, Vim Users wrote:
> the /pattern/ feature of sort doesn't work if the recognized filetype
> is .tsv (which gives alternate colours for successive fields).
>
> Is there a workaround, apart from copying it to a plain file and
> working on it there?
I'm not sure if you have some plugin interfering, but when I open a TSV
file with the following contents:
$ cat test.tsv
h1 h2 h3 h4 h5
d c b a 1
c d a b 30
b a d c 4
a b c d 200
I can issue the following commands to sort by the various columns:
:2,$sort " sort by the first column
:2,$sor /[^^I]*^I/ " sort by the second column
:2,$sor /\([^^I]*^I\)\{2}/ " sort by third column
:2,$sor /\([^^I]*^I\)\{3}/ " sort by the fourth column
:2,$sor n /\([^^I]*^I\)\{4}/ " sort numerically by the fifth column
So I'm uncertain what you're seeing or how you're sorting that differs.
-tim
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> the /pattern/ feature of sort doesn't work if the recognized filetype
> is .tsv (which gives alternate colours for successive fields).
>
> Is there a workaround, apart from copying it to a plain file and
> working on it there?
I'm not sure if you have some plugin interfering, but when I open a TSV
file with the following contents:
$ cat test.tsv
h1 h2 h3 h4 h5
d c b a 1
c d a b 30
b a d c 4
a b c d 200
I can issue the following commands to sort by the various columns:
:2,$sort " sort by the first column
:2,$sor /[^^I]*^I/ " sort by the second column
:2,$sor /\([^^I]*^I\)\{2}/ " sort by third column
:2,$sor /\([^^I]*^I\)\{3}/ " sort by the fourth column
:2,$sor n /\([^^I]*^I\)\{4}/ " sort numerically by the fifth column
So I'm uncertain what you're seeing or how you're sorting that differs.
-tim
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:sort in .tsv file
Hi
the /pattern/ feature of sort doesn't work if the recognized filetype is .tsv (which gives alternate colours for successive fields).
Is there a workaround, apart from copying it to a plain file and working on it there?
regards - Chris
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Sunday, November 16, 2025
Re: VIM remote and Wayland
Op zaterdag 15 november 2025 om 18:57:04 UTC+1 schreef Christian Brabandt:
On Sa, 15 Nov 2025, Erik Slagter wrote:
> For some time now, I fear from the moment I switched to Wayland, my vim (either
> vim or gvim) do not create a "server" anymore. So --remote-tab doesn't work.
> Vim --serverlist returns no servers when I have a running gvim instance. This
> has been working for absolutely years!
>
> gvim --remote-tab says "E247: No registered server named "GVIM": Send failed.
> Trying to execute locally" as a result, always.
>
> gaia $ vim --serverlist
> gaia $ echo $DISPLAY
> :0
> gaia $ xhost
> access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
>
> Anyone, please?
Recent Vims have support for using a socketserver. That should make it
work under Wayland I think.
So you're saying this is a known issue? I couldn't find anything on this when googling.
I guess I have a "recent" vim, so I'll will look into it, thanks!
> It helps if you tell us what kind of Vim you are using, so we can offer better help. You still did not
> mention 🙂 I am not sure the socketserver feature will help, but it sounds like it should, so please
> read up on this feature. See :h socketserver-clientserver
Not necessary, I already have it working, thanks! So, indeed, vim does not play nicely with Wayland regarding the "server" part. My vim version (from Fedora) is compiled with both X11 and Wayland support, which is nice, but for "server" use, it still chooses X11, which doesn't work (apparently).
This is the approach that works:
gaia erik: $ type vi
vi is an alias for /usr/bin/gvim --clientserver socket -f --remote-tab-silent
vi is an alias for /usr/bin/gvim --clientserver socket -f --remote-tab-silent
It would be nice if it could be a setting in the .vimrc file, but I don't think there is one.
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Saturday, November 15, 2025
Re: VIM remote and Wayland
On Sa, 15 Nov 2025, Erik Slagter wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> For some time now, I fear from the moment I switched to Wayland, my vim (either
> vim or gvim) do not create a "server" anymore. So --remote-tab doesn't work.
> Vim --serverlist returns no servers when I have a running gvim instance. This
> has been working for absolutely years!
>
> gvim --remote-tab says "E247: No registered server named "GVIM": Send failed.
> Trying to execute locally" as a result, always.
>
> gaia $ vim --serverlist
> gaia $ echo $DISPLAY
> :0
> gaia $ xhost
> access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
>
> Anyone, please?
Recent Vims have support for using a socketserver. That should make it
work under Wayland I think.
Thanks,
Christian
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> Hi there,
>
> For some time now, I fear from the moment I switched to Wayland, my vim (either
> vim or gvim) do not create a "server" anymore. So --remote-tab doesn't work.
> Vim --serverlist returns no servers when I have a running gvim instance. This
> has been working for absolutely years!
>
> gvim --remote-tab says "E247: No registered server named "GVIM": Send failed.
> Trying to execute locally" as a result, always.
>
> gaia $ vim --serverlist
> gaia $ echo $DISPLAY
> :0
> gaia $ xhost
> access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
>
> Anyone, please?
Recent Vims have support for using a socketserver. That should make it
work under Wayland I think.
Thanks,
Christian
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VIM remote and Wayland
Hi there,
For some time now, I fear from the moment I switched to Wayland, my vim (either vim or gvim) do not create a "server" anymore. So --remote-tab doesn't work. Vim --serverlist returns no servers when I have a running gvim instance. This has been working for absolutely years!
gvim --remote-tab says "E247: No registered server named "GVIM": Send failed. Trying to execute locally" as a result, always.
gaia $ vim --serverlist
gaia $ echo $DISPLAY
:0
gaia $ xhost
access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
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For some time now, I fear from the moment I switched to Wayland, my vim (either vim or gvim) do not create a "server" anymore. So --remote-tab doesn't work. Vim --serverlist returns no servers when I have a running gvim instance. This has been working for absolutely years!
gvim --remote-tab says "E247: No registered server named "GVIM": Send failed. Trying to execute locally" as a result, always.
gaia $ vim --serverlist
gaia $ echo $DISPLAY
:0
gaia $ xhost
access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
Anyone, please? --
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Monday, November 10, 2025
Re: Filtering and stderr
Hello
The ! is the shell escape. It will be using the shell, and redirecting can be done via shell redirects.
You can write a wrapper script that might take a file (or not) that will generate the file you want. In that shell script you might use shell redirects.
Or write/rewrite the utility that you will be using with !. That will create a file using stderr.
If you want to redirect to a buffer you can use the above again. But you might need to write a vim function, command and/or define mappings, based on your requirements.
Regards
On Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 20:16 BPJ <bpj@melroch.se> wrote:
Can I get stderr directed to another file or buffer with `:!` (other than using shell redirects)? I'm sure there is an option but I can't find it! :-)--/bpj
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Re: Filtering and stderr
Regrettably, the short answer is no.
On 2025-11-10 12:16, BPJ wrote:
Can I get stderr directed to another file or buffer with `:!` (other than using shell redirects)? I'm sure there is an option but I can't find it! :-)--
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Filtering and stderr
Can I get stderr directed to another file or buffer with `:!` (other than using shell redirects)? I'm sure there is an option but I can't find it! :-)
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