Re: Do developers use vim exclusively or alternate with an IDE?

Hi Sam,

we're getting to the point where help gets possible.

> I'm quite happy to learn and use vimscript if you believe that is the way
I collected also some downsides of Vim (still doing almost all work with
it though):
http://vim-wiki.mawercer.de/wiki/topic/in-which-way-does-vim-suck.html
http://vim-wiki.mawercer.de/wiki/topic/in-which-way-does-viml-suck.html

> Copying and pasting text from outside of the editor.
> page by swapping odd bits of text from another document. It just feels
> clunky to me and I often find myself using eclipse instead.
Which operation feels clunky exactly?

> If I have an class that I want to call a method of I generally like to know
> what the overloads are and the order of the parameters. I've got used to
> using intellisense in VS. I don't know if it just laziness that I would
> like it or if people normally require it or not.
Use the right tool for a task. If its Eclipse, then use eclipse.

> "Peeking" at files real quick seems like a lot of work.
c-w s or v splits vertically/horizontally.


> vsplit :o file.ext them Ctrl w w to change to the split,
again, see my mail, its just <m-s-k/j/l/h> same about :q

Vim's defaults are not optimal.
I often stop caring just doing c-w T to open a new tab.

> mouse and eclipse come in. I tend to move through a tree of files faster
> with a mouse.
depends on what you do exactly, I often grep, then use a keep-lines
implementation to limit the files to what I want to look at (see
vim-addon-other)

Still browsing foreign Java code is something I'd consider doing in
Eclipse, because it just works, it can read .class files etc.

With Vim you have options, such as ctags and the like, but browsing
class hirarchies may require a lot of additional complicated setups.

For Ecilpse there is also http://www.viplugin.com/index.htm
(costs some $, but might be worth it - maybe there is a command "open
this file and location in Vim" now - I asked for it once.

There are more ways (eclim etc), eg this link is listing most of them:
http://www.freehackers.org/VimIntegration

> (I do apologise if I replied incorrectly. I've read the rules, but I am new
> to mailing lists!)
Only thing you want to do is "learn about why bottom posting" is most
easy for everyone. Except that and being polite there is not much you
can do wrong - you're welcome.

Some problems about Vim can be solved easily - others cannot at the
moment.

Yours
Marc Weber

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