> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 09:56, Tony Mechelynck wrote:
>> On 03/12/09 09:35, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 09:22, Tony Mechelynck wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, is it possible to set the locale to UTF-8 on Windows the way it is
>>>> on
>>>> Linux? My current locale ($LANG on Linux) is 'en_US.UTF-8'. Maybe you
>>>> could
>>>> try setting the locale to 'Polish_Poland.UTF-8' or
>>>> 'Slovenian_Slovenia.UTF-8' (or some such) on your Windows system? Or does
>>>> that create other problems?
>>>
>>> Yes and no.
>>>
>>> No because it's not possible to set it to "Slovenian_Slovenia.UTF-8".
>>> Windows only seems to accept numerical values for encodings.
>>>
>>> Yes because it's possible to set the locale to
>>> "Slovenian_Slovenia.65001" where 65001 stands for UTF-8, but I guess
>>> that vim has no idea what number 65001 means. I have tried it, I have
>>> created menu translation menu_slovenian_slovenia.65001.vim which has
>>> been used (confirmed by modifying some strings in that translation),
>>> but vim didn't behave any differently.
>>>
>>> Mojca
>>>
>>> PS: the encoding in locale seems to be there just for "old application
>>> that don't understand unicode", so windows doesn't bother to set the
>>> locale to Unicode even if it's a a unicode system.
>>>
>>> PPS: Even if I would manage to force the encoding in Locate to be
>>> UTF-8, I guess that it still needs to be fixed in such a way that it
>>> will behave properly by default. (Some years ago I was getting Slovak
>>> translations by default on every computer which was a lot worse than
>>> not getting any tranlation at all.)
>>>
>>
>> Getting all menus and messages in English regardless of the locale is quite
>> easy; all it takes is the following code snipped AT THE VERY TOP of your
>> vimrc (before setting up the menus, and before sourcing the
>> vimrc_example.vim if you source it):
>>
>> if has('unix')
>> language messages C
>> else
>> language messages en
>> endif
>>
>> If Vim doesn't understand what 65001 means, you could maybe (untested) do
>> something like
>>
>> if v:ctype ~= '\<65001$' " if the locale ends in '65001' as a word
>> set enc=utf-8 tenc= " tell Vim that Windows wants UTF-8
>> endif
>>
>> just before the point where you turn 'encoding' to UTF-8 if running in a
>> different locale.
>
> Oh, no ... I cannot believe that.
>
> I had
> set encoding=utf-8
> at the very bottom of my _vimrc file. And *that* line caused the weird
> behaviour (I guess it's still the same _vimrc file that I had back on
> XP and was working fine there, though I would need to test now). I
> needed that line since that was the only way to get UTF-8 encoding
> working for editing documents. As far as the termencoding is concerned
> it doesn't matter at all what I set it to (any setting or no setting
> works fine).
>
> If I shift just that line just a few lines higher then everything
> starts working perfectly (no language or locale change happens in
> between). If I delete that line or remove my _vimrc file then I get
> all the encodings in all the files back to cp1250, but at least the
> menus seem to work. (Shouldn't it be time to move on to UTF-8 by
> default?)
>
> I feel a bit ashamed since it was mainly the fault of my old _vimrc
> file, but I still find it a bit weird that it is still falling back to
> the old encodings. Windows documentation explicitely says: "This
> locale encoding is there just in case that application doesn't support
> Unicode." Vim should be still able to open 8-bit files in that
> encoding (maybe the encoding from Locale should automatically be the
> default one for 8-bit files unless specified differently), but for new
> ones ... why not switching to Unicode completely?
>
> Summary:
> - set encoding=utf-8 on top works perfectly
> - set encoding=utf-8 on bottom => weird behaviour
> - no explicit encoding setting => works, but uses cp1250
> - termencoding can be anything (it was crucial to have it set to cp1250 in XP)
>
> Mojca
>
Well, the good news is you finally found the source of the problem. :-)
Best regards,
Tony.
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-- William Blake
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