Re: vim slow, Lisp, etc.

On Thursday, November 28, 2013 2:25:40 PM UTC-2, mfid...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
> Ed Kostas wrote:
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> > 3- It seems that there is a Vi clone that does everything these lawyers want. It is fast in dealing with large Latex sources, it has an org-mode that works like emacs, etc. etc. It is called Evil. Third question: What am I loosing if I work with Evil?
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> A little googling yields this: https://gitorious.org/evil/pages/Home
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> Which describes Evil as "an *e*xtensible *vi* *l*ayer for Emacs
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> <http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/>. It emulates the main features of
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> Vim <http://www.vim.org/>, and provides facilities for writing custom
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> extensions."
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> In other words, it makes emacs look like vim. So all the features
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> they're using now - including the analysis routines written in lisp;
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> through a simpler interface.
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> But a larger question here: Why are they even considering moving to
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> Vim? They seem to be using a lot of critical emacs features
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> (particularly those based on lisp) - how would they be able to do their
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> work without those features? If they're looking for a simpler
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> interface, then maybe Evil would help, but then there are a few nice
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> GUIs for emacs that might make more sense.
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> Miles Fidelman
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> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
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> In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra

Well, Miles. For lawyers, mandatory electronic pleading is a novelty. Even in the United States it is quite recent. In Brazil, it became mandatory two years ago. In Philippines, two months ago. Here are news from Philippines:

Beginning October, the Supreme Court will require petitioners to submit electronic copies or "soft copies" of all pleadings filed with the high court, in an effort to go "paperless."

Therefore, lawyers still don't know what tools are good for them. In most countries, however, the rules are:

1 -- The document must be filled in text format. This makes sense, because other formats would require a special tools for reading. For example, docx requires MS Word. However, some countries, like Brazil, accept documents in pdf.

2 -- The text format must provide directives for outline. This is necessary, because the judge and lawyers need to survey the documents, overview pleadings, etc. Even a single lawsuit or criminal prosecution may have 5000 pages of legalese.

3 -- In countries that allow pdf documents, like Brazil and Paraguay, it is necessary to have a tool to generate pdf from the outline directives. Lawyers also like to post an summaries and surveys on special pages for their clients. These pages are also generated from text with outline directives. You know, a lawyer must be sure that her clients are satisfied, because an unhappy client may be dangerous.

4 -- Electronic translations may be necessary in a globalized world.

5 -- A protocol to send emails, electronic signatures, cryptography, etc.

The fact is that lawyers don't know what they need. Everything is very recent. They ask experts and the answer is: Emacs or Vim. I mean, there are experts that recommend Vim. Other experts recommend Emacs. The solution is checking both. That is what most lawyers are doing.



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