Re: Contacting Vim Tips Wiki Admin JohnBeckett

On 11/9/2012 7:14 PM, John Beckett wrote:> Suresh Govindachar wrote:
>> Hello JohnBeckett,
>>
>> Regarding your comments to
>> http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Mappings_to_facilitate_the_creation_of_text
>> please see the recent (within past 22 hours) emails in the thread
>> "Commands from insert mode".
>>
>> See also http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Quick_command_in_insert_mode
>
> The vim_use discussion is:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/vim_use/browse_thread/thread/ab736b5a399312de
>
> Sorry to have been dismissive in my comment last April at the
> wiki. It looks like there are two strong points of view on the
> topic, with some wanting to reconfigure Vim so as to avoid normal
> mode, with others not seeing the point of that.

You have misunderstood the issue. No one is attempting to
reconfigure vim in any way. No one is attempting to avoid the
normal mode. It is just that while in insert mode, there is often a
need to do something quick in normal mode and get back to insert
mode -- the creator of Vim himself recognized this need and provided
the feature of i_ctrl-o (:help i_ctrl-o). The mappings merely
enhance Vim's built in feature of i_ctrl-o.

> I cannot imagine a group of lawyers using Vim (unless they happen
> to be familiar with Vim).

Such a group actually exists.

> The fundamental problem is that if someone has trouble going to
> normal mode to navigate or massage text,

No one has trouble going into normal mode to navigate or massage
text. The point of that there are times, such as when a new
document is being created, when one want to go to normal mode and
come back to inset mode quickly.

> they will get into trouble when they accidentally trigger some
> feature of Vim that confuses them.

I consider myself an expert in Vim, and the preceding concern is just
not applicable to people interested in the enhancement to i_ctrl-o; in
fact, I don't even know what the above conern really means.

> At any rate, I would like the tip fixed so the concerns raised by
> Fritzophrenic (who added the "dodgy" tag) are addressed. Then we
> could add a note saying that some people like avoiding normal
> mode, and some don't, and we could remove the comments and other
> old stuff from the page.

I do not see the name "Fritzophrenic" on the wiki page in question.
By "the concerns raised by Fritzophrenic (who added the "dodgy"
tag)" do you mean the following?:

"Not enough explanation. What is the purpose of each set of
mappings, and what do they accomplish? What problem is being
solved?"

The comments toward the top of the tip provide the motivation for
the tip -- which would answer the question about "what do they
accomplish" and "What problem is being solved?" The only thing I
can think of adding is that the reader see :help i_ctrl-o since the
tip enhances Vim's built in feature of i_ctrl-o. Regarding what
each mapping does, there is a comment at the top of each group of
mappings.

Again, the intent is _not_ to avoid normal mode but to go to normal mode
and come back to insert mode quickly during those times -- such as the
creation of a document (rather than the editing of a preexisting
document) -- when there is a need to be in insert mode for a long time.

>
> John
>

--Suresh


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